Showing posts with label Prius VS Insight. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Prius VS Insight. Show all posts

Monday, November 30, 2009

Benchmarking Shows Toyota, Honda Follow Different Paths to Hybridization

LYON, France –Toyota Motor Corp. and Honda Motor Co. Ltd. are the global hybrid leaders, together controlling 70% of the market, but a benchmarking teardown of their hybrid-electric vehicles gives a detailed view of the auto makers’ different strategies.

While Toyota has worked to constantly improve hybrid performance, Honda’s strategy has been to reduce cost, says Antoine Chatelain, director of Mavel SA’s Mavtech subsidiary, which recently presented an overview of the Toyota Prius, Honda Civic Hybrid and Insight at the French consultancy’s technical center here.

The ’09 Insight is less hybridized than the ’05 Civic Hybrid, Chatelain says, noting the Civic has electric air conditioning and regenerative braking, which the Insight lacks.

In contrast, the third-generation Prius is bigger than the Insight but has lower fuel consumption and is equipped with regenerative braking and two electric motors.

Although Ford Motor Co., General Motors Co. and Nissan Motor Co. Ltd. all have launched hybrid vehicles, they trail Toyota and Honda by far. Toyota has sold 1.1 million Prius HEVs worldwide, while Honda has delivered 200,000 Civic Hybrids.

Both the Prius and Insight are based on internal-combustion platforms: the Prius on the Auris/Avensis architecture and the Insight on the U.S. version of the Honda Jazz (Fit). The Prius weighs 156 lbs. (71 kg) more than the gasoline Auris, while the Insight weighs 159 lbs. (72 kg) more than a Jazz/Fit with the same engine.

“Toyota is weight-oriented, and Honda is cost-oriented,” Chatelain says. Not counting the hybridization, the changes made to the Prius platform shaved 32.6 lbs. (15 kg) of mass; while changes made to the Jazz platform for the Insight added 30.4 lbs. (13.8 kg).

The two hybrids have a different instrument cluster, rear seat, tailgate, windows and smaller gas tank than conventional gasoline models on the same architecture. The Prius has an electric A/C compressor and water pump, “green” tires, a different parking brake pedal, tailgate and windows. The Insight has a specific crankshaft and HVAC block, and bigger wheels.

Takahuru Echigo, who works for Honda Engineering Co. Ltd. in Swindon, U.K., confirms reduced cost was a key goal in the Insight’s development but notes performance also was a factor.
Power density nearly has doubled since 1999 when the first Insight was introduced and costs are down 60%, he says. The electric motor of the new Insight is 15% lighter than that in the Civic Hybrid, with power density increased 24%.

INRETS, a French research academy, projects the number of hybrids sold annually could reach 1 million in 2011, 2 million by 2014 and 5 million by 2020. In 2007, sales totaled 500,000 units.

“The growth of sales should be principally in mature markets, where clients have higher buying power,” says Jean-Bruno Monteil, director of material studies at Mavel. “Awareness of environmental issues is less in developing countries, and the complexity of hybrid drive discourages buyers in emerging markets.”

Mavel also believes virtually all European cars will soon have stop/start capability.

“Stop/start is not very expensive, and hybrids are expensive,” says Mavel’s Jean-Michel Prillieux. “Stop/start is not a hybrid. Cars have had electricity on board for years, with starter motors and headlights. Stop/start is a new electric feature, like ABS (antilock braking systems or EPS (electronic stability program technology).”

In Europe, gasoline hybrids have fierce competition from diesels. The Insight has a carbon-dioxide emissions rating of 101 g/km.

The Ford Focus Econetic with a diesel engine is rated at 115 g/km, and an industry engineer says it costs only about €20 ($30) to convert a conventional 1.6L diesel Focus into a higher-mileage version with a plastic underbody shield, better engine oil and environmentally friendly “green” tires.

The cost to consumers to save a gram of CO2/km is cheaper with a mild gasoline hybrid, such as the Insight, rather than a full hybrid Prius.

In Germany, a Civic Hybrid costs €23,000 ($34,312) and emits 110 g/km of CO2, while a conventional Civic is priced at €20,050 ($30,584) and emits 154 g/km, costing hybrid customers €67 ($100) for each g/km reduction.

A gasoline Toyota Auris costs €19,000 ($28,340) and emits 154 g/km of CO2, while a third-generation Prius is priced at €25,000 ($37,290) and emits 92 g/km, costing hybrid customers €97 ($145) for each g/km reduction.

Mavel’s benchmarking studied the materials used in the cars in detail, and because it has torn down dozens of vehicles, it is able to compare the hybrids’ material usage with an average midsized European car.

The Insight uses 64% ferrous material, more than an average European car. The third-generation Prius is the leader in aluminum use, at 12%. The Prius has an aluminum hood and tailgate as part of its weight-saving strategy, says Bernard Thiebault, Mavel’s director of automotive body benchmarking.

Hybridization has little impact on the bodies of the hybrids, the executive says, noting there is no impact on passive safety but slightly additional weight for battery fixation. The principal design changes to improve performance are aerodynamics on both cars, and mass reduction on the Prius.

Juan Manuel Pedrero, marketing manager for the Spanish consultant, Robotiker Tecnalia, says the U.S. and Japan are ahead in developing electrification technologies, but after a slow start, Europe is pushing hard with a €93 million ($139 million) budget to support cooperative projects next year.

The projects are to be aimed at developing sustainable surface transportation and a 20% reduction in CO2 emissions by 2020.

A European Union document states: “The 2010 call places greater emphasis on breakthrough research aiming at radically new approaches able to respond to societal need in a time horizon of 2015-2020,” when the transport system no longer will be completely reliant on fossil fuels.

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Monday, February 9, 2009

Honda Enhances Advantages; Toyota Eliminates Disadvantages

Here's a nice little article showcasing some of the differences between Honda's Hybrid technology and Toyota's Hybrid technology....

Feb 9, 2009 18:49Yoshirou Tsuruhara, Nikkei Automotive Technology


Honda Motor Co Ltd released the Insight hybrid, one of this year's most anticipated new vehicles. Its entry level model is priced at ¥1,890,000 (approx US$20,700) and is ¥440,000 cheaper than the cheapest model of the current-generation Toyota Prius (¥2,331,000) (See related article).

"Considering Toyota's system, I believe they cannot sell Prius at ¥2 million or lower," a Honda staffer said at the presentation of the Insight.

Honda adopted a simple hybrid system composed of one driving motor and a small-capacity secondary battery. In contrast, Toyota's hybrid system is equipped with an independent driving motor and a generator, and the capacity of its battery is more than twice that of Honda's battery. Though Toyota has been working on cost reduction of its hybrid system too, there is a reason why it cannot cut the costs as much as Honda.

Honda achieved a 40% cost reduction by further downsizing the already small battery and motor mounted in the Civic Hybrid, according to the company. However, the fuel economy of the Insight is 30km/L under the 10·15 test mode, which is almost equal to the 31km/L of the Civic Hybrid. So, Honda reduced the cost of its hybrid system by making most of the simplicity of the system while compromising on the fuel economy to some extent.

Meanwhile, the new Prius, which is expected to be released by Toyota in May 2009, features a good highway-driving economy, which was not achieved by previous models.

The existing Prius has a fuel economy of 48MPG (20.4km/L) in the city mode of the US, which is 20% higher than 40MPG (17.0km/L) of the Civic hybrid. However, in the highway mode, the fuel economy of the Prius drops to 45MPG (19.1km/L), while that of the Civic hybrid increases to 45MPG.

The Prius has an advantage in city driving where the vehicle can be driven more efficiently by the motor than by the engine, while it has a disadvantage in highway driving where the engine is mainly used, because the Prius is loaded with heavy motor and battery.

In order to address this disadvantage, the new Prius will be mounted with a 1.8L engine (the engine capacity of the existing Prius is 1.5L). The main purpose of this change is not the enhancement of the output but the reduction of friction loss, which is achieved by generating the same amount of output with a lower revolution speed.

The highway-mode fuel economy of the new Prius has not been disclosed yet, but the fuel economy in the city/highway mixed mode has been improved by about 10% to 50MPG (21.3km/L) from 46MPG (19.6km/L) of the existing model.

However, the new Prius is expected to be more expensive than the current model, reflecting the improvements made to enhance the performance. So, it is likely that the price disparity between the Prius and the Insight will be even larger.

Honda made an effort for cost reduction by capitalizing on its strengths without being overly obsessed with fuel economy, while Toyota focused on its disadvantages and enhanced highway driving fuel economy. It seems that the time has come for hybrid vehicles to highlight their individuality.

Yoshirou Tsuruhara, Nikkei Automotive Technology


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http://techon.nikkeibp.co.jp/english/NEWS_EN/20090209/165360/?ST=english_PRINT