Showing posts with label Honda VS Ford. Show all posts
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Tuesday, July 21, 2009

Inside Line: Comparison Test: 2010 Ford Taurus vs. 2009 Honda Accord

Alot of good things said about both makes;
A Product of Their Times
By Erin Riches, Senior Editor Email
Date posted: 07-20-2009

If you understand the limitless desire of Americans for personal space, then you understand the thinking behind the 2010 Ford Taurus Limited and 2009 Honda Accord EX-L V6 with Navigation. Taurus and Accord may be iconic midsize-sedan nameplates, but now the badges are on large-car rumps.

Officially, the 2010 Ford Taurus and 2009 Honda Accord each seat five. Realistically, neither of these large sedans will ever see more than four passengers. And nobody will so much as rub an elbow, shoulder, buttock or knee during the 15-minute drive to the sushi buffet.

As crossovers promise everyone a whole row of seating to himself, families are fleeing even the roomiest of family sedans like these. So you might be driving around by yourself in a Ford Taurus or Honda Accord. And you might care about something besides shoulder room and legroom.

In its previous life, the Taurus couldn't stand up to such scrutiny. It was a big lug, a slobbery SUV shaped like a sedan. However, the 2010 Ford Taurus Limited reflects a serious change of heart at Ford. This is a smarter Taurus with crisper handling, quality interior bits, and up-to-date but easy-to-use technology.

This is also exactly the sort of Taurus that should be able to do battle with the smarty-pants of the family car class, the 2009 Honda Accord EX-L V6 with Navigation.

Tuck in That TummyYou'll notice we call both the Taurus and the Accord large cars. We don't kid you, though. The truth is, these two have gotten fat together.

Our 2009 Honda Accord EX-L V6 Navi tester weighs in at nearly 3,600 pounds. It outweighs the previous-generation Accord by 250 pounds. It outweighs a 1999 Accord EX V6 sedan by more than 300 pounds.

Although rivals like the Mazda 6 and Nissan Altima are close in size (and weight, in the case of the Mazda), only the Accord crosses the 120-cubic-foot interior volume threshold into the EPA's "large car" classification.

Built on a 112.9-inch wheelbase (2.7 inches longer than the Accord's), our 2010 Ford Taurus Limited stretches nearly 203 inches from nose to tail. It's 8.5 inches longer than the Accord, not to mention unnaturally tall (60.7 inches) and wide (76.2 inches) for a sedan.

The Taurus is certainly the hulk of the family sedan class. It draws fat jokes from strangers and outweighs the hefty Honda by 450 pounds. But at 122.3 cubic feet, its total interior volume only tops the Accord by a couple cubes.

Pounds of GadgetsAt least a few dozen of those pounds are accounted for by all the technology in our 2010 Ford Taurus Limited, which isn't even fully optioned. Notably, it lacks a sunroof, Ford's hard-drive-based navigation system and the multicontour seats that heat, cool and knead your backside. We'll live.

For a $31,995 base price, the front-wheel-drive Taurus Limited provides a leather interior, 10-way power front seats, dual-zone automatic climate control, a USB jack, the Sync hands-free interface, wood-grain interior accents that may or may not be to your taste, and 19-inch wheels that definitely will not be to your taste.

Our test car also has Package 302A ($2,000), which adds keyless ignition, a blind-spot information system (Volvo's BLIS), automatic high-beams and a very decent 12-speaker Sony audio system. The blind-spot radar supplements the car's standard rear-bumper sonar by providing useful warnings on the trip computer display like "vehicle approaching from the left" when you have the Taurus in reverse.

Adaptive cruise control adds an additional $1,195 to the Ford's bottom line for a total of $35,190.
Most of these features simply aren't available on the Accord. However, our 2009 Honda Accord EX-L V6 comes with the high-quality Acura navigation system (stripped of the nav weather and nav traffic features), as well as Bluetooth, heated leather-upholstered seats, dual-zone climate control, a sunroof, and an unassuming set of 17-inch wheels.

We don't mind the lack of wood-grain appliqués in the Accord, but this car needs an iPod-friendly USB jack. Aux alone doesn't cut it in 2009.

Still, this 2009 Honda Accord EX-L V6 with Navigation can be yours for $31,615 — a savings of $3,575 over the 2010 Taurus Limited.

Different Personalities
You wouldn't know the 2009 Honda Accord EX-L V6 Navi is the cheaper of the two based on how it drives.

Right away, the Accord establishes itself as the sportier of the two sedans, which isn't terribly hard to do when your opponent weighs 2 tons. Still, we wonder if Honda has subtly recalibrated this car's drivetrain for 2009, because this Accord V6 doesn't feel as shortchanged on low-end torque as the 2008 models we tested. In addition, its five-speed automatic transmission shifts crisply right at the 3.5-liter V6's 6,800-rpm redline instead of short-shifting. Good thing, because there's still no manual shift gate.

Honda has rerated the V6 sedan's output at 271 horsepower at 6,200 rpm (from 268 hp) and 254 pound-feet of torque at 5,000 rpm (from 248 hp), but there's more here than meets the eye. Throttle response is downright snappy in the 2009 Honda Accord.

At the track, the Accord reaches 60 mph from a standstill in 7.2 seconds (or 6.9 seconds with 1 foot of rollout as on a drag strip) and hits the quarter-mile in 15.3 seconds at 93.1 mph.

The fact that our 2010 Taurus Limited breaks into the 15s at all borders is impressive considering its weight disadvantage. It runs a 7.8-second 0-60 time (7.5 seconds with rollout) and a 15.7-second quarter-mile. With a trap speed of just 88.9 mph, though, it has no hope of catching the Accord. The Ford's 3.5-liter V6 is rated at just 263 hp at 6,250 rpm, but its torque is accessible at lower rpm, with the peak 249 lb-ft available at 4,500 rpm.

Most of the time, our 2010 Ford Taurus Limited accelerates adequately in traffic. It's only when you hop into the Accord that you realize what you've been missing. Shifts from the Ford's six-speed automatic transmission often feel lackadaisical, too, even in manual mode. Plus, torque steer is an issue under full throttle.

Fuel economy ratings are close, with the V6 Accord earning a slight advantage with its 19 city/29 highway mpg figures versus a preliminary rating of 18 city/28 highway mpg for the front-drive 2010 Taurus. Both sedans return high teens in weekday traffic, though our Taurus test car's 2,500-mile road trip understandably pushes its two-week average above the Accord's, with its average during our test interval coming to 21.1 mpg versus 19.3 mpg.

Weight Management
Ordinarily, we don't give the current-generation Honda Accord a lot of credit in the handling department. Its steering is precise, but conservative suspension tuning, meek P225/50R17 Michelin Pilot HXMXM5 all-season tires and a few too many pounds rob it of it the usual Honda cornering character.

But it's all relative, and a 2-ton 2010 Ford Taurus makes the Accord look good on a back road.
It's not that the Taurus Limited is a terrible handler. There's just a lot of car to transition through corners, and Ford's legal team knows this, so the big sedan has a very aggressive and very non-defeatable stability control system. If it senses you're about to stuff the Taurus into a tight corner, it clamps down hard on that inside wheel. The steering ratio (17.0:1) also feels slower than it needs to be, and heavy inputs elicit moaning from the power steering pump.

At our test track, the 2009 Honda Accord EX-L V6 manages 0.83g on the skid pad and 64.1 mph through the slalom. With its stability control active, the 2010 Ford Taurus Limited can't do any better than 0.79g and 60.3 mph. When we run the Accord through these tests with stability control on, the numbers are closer: 0.79g on the skid pad and 62.2 mph in the slalom.

In braking tests, the Ford's wider P255/45R19 100Y Goodyear Eagle RS-A tires give it a slight advantage. The Taurus stops from 60 mph in 131 feet. This is 2 feet shorter than the Accord's best stop. Still, we prefer the Accord's firmer pedal. And notably, this is the first Honda we've tested in months — even years — that hasn't had an issue with brake fade (though there's still some smoke coming off the rotors after our testing).

The Comfort Argument
We're not sure how Ford's chassis engineers were able to get such a well-damped ride out of a car with a 19-by-8-inch wheel weighing down each corner, but they did. The 2010 Ford Taurus Limited has an exceptional ride quality. It's plush over most interstate freeways, yet highly controlled at all times. This is the family sedan you want to drive cross-country.

You could do the same in the 2009 Honda Accord EX-L V6, but it wouldn't be quite so comfortable. In Honda tradition, the Accord's ride is all about firm control. You might be fine with this as a driver, but passengers often give a different opinion.

We measure a higher decibel level in the Accord at a 70-mph cruise, and we blame it on characteristic Honda road noise, which detracts from cabin calm even when you're just running errands around town.

Better Packaged Accord
Yet you might put up with the extra noise, because the smaller 2009 Honda Accord EX-L V6 has a subtly more spacious cabin. The beltline is lower, the seats are wider and, whether you're driving or riding in back, the cabin has an airier feel. Here we are back at the personal space argument again.

But there's also cohesion to the Accord's cabin design that makes the car easier to live with day-to-day. All the displays and controls have an ergonomic design that feels instantly familiar, and there's a unity to how everything works. You and the car and all its stuff are part of one Honda life form.

That's not to say you can't live well in the 2010 Ford Taurus Limited, which feels more upscale than the Accord and offers many more conveniences for iPod and BlackBerry users. But somehow the tall chairs, deeply recessed gauge pods, pixelated radio displays and sophisticated Sync interface in this Taurus Limited feel more like a collection of stuff than elements of a whole.

Critical Mass
Family sedans don't necessarily involve your family anymore, so most of us are looking for more than vast amounts of space on the cheap. We want quick acceleration; we'll take adroit handling if we can get it; and the cabin electronics had better play nice with our smart phone.

The 2009 Honda Accord EX-L V6 with Navigation wins this test by 2.6 points, largely because it's faster and more agile, yet less expensive. It's hardly a sport sedan, but of these two, the Accord is the driver's pick. A more space-efficient cabin design is another big point in the Honda's favor.

At the same time, the 2010 Ford Taurus Limited is more refined and personable than any Taurus to date. Its nicely resolved ride is no small benefit if you take long road trips, and we really do like Sync. Yet it's tough to justify paying $35K for a 263-hp sedan that needs almost 8 seconds to hit 60 mph.

There's a larger issue here, too, as we'd like to have an intervention with both Ford and Honda to talk about weight. From the standpoint of acceleration, handling, braking and fuel economy, neither the Honda Accord nor the Ford Taurus can afford to get any larger. If anything, make them smaller.

Follow this link to find out what Inside Line Executive Editor Michael Jordan says:
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/Comparos/articleId=153146/pageId=173625

Tuesday, March 17, 2009

Faceoff: 2009 Ford Flex v. 2009 Honda Pilot

How does the 2009 Canadian Utility Vehicle of the Year stack up against the segment leader?

With its mix of haute couture style and funky functionality, the new Ford Flex beat out the Mercedes-Benz M-Class and the Subaru Forester to take the 2009 Automobile Journalists Association of Canada’s Utility Vehicle of the Year award.

Second place: 2009 Ford Flex Limited AWD
Congrats to Ford. Well done. No doubt the Flex makes a big styling statement compared to Ford's previous crossover attempts -- the bland 2005 Freestyle and slightly less bland '08 Taurus X. But when it comes to good ol' fashioned value -- what should be a high priority for buyers in this class -- how does Ford's latest crossover hold up against what some consider the established leader in its segment, the also new for '09 Honda Pilot.

Another new Ford product based off the first-generation Volvo S80 chassis, the stylish six- or seven-passenger Flex crossover is in theory a replacement for the long-gone Ford Freestar/Windstar minivan.

Pricing starts at $35,499 for a seven-passenger front-wheel drive Flex SEL. Our tester was a fully loaded Limited with part-time all-wheel drive. With an overly large sunroof ($1,700), towing package ($500), navigation system ($2,500), DVD player ($1,200) and $500 for the Mini Cooper-mimicking white roof, the finally tally came to $49,399 -- $521 less than the similarly equipped Pilot.

Style and room
Beyond the Flex's hip-to-be-square design, the main interior benefits over the eight-passenger Pilot are second-row legroom and overall headroom. Being 277 mm longer than the Honda, there's 148 mm more room for the two second-row occupants to stretch their legs out. Moving to the top-of-the-line Flex Limited deletes the middle second-row seating position found in lesser models, turning it into a three-row, six-seater. At least those second-row captain's chairs are heated.

In terms of style -- like the contrast in the two vehicles' exterior designs -- the Flex's interior is like the Vegas strip compared to the subdued cabin of the Pilot. There's enough fake chrome, aluminum and wood that a Lincoln badge wouldn't look out of place on the rump of the Ford.

The highway is its home
Performance isn't really a priority in this class, which is a good thing. Both crossovers are powered by 3.5-litre V6s. The Flex's mill has a bit more horsepower than the Pilot (262 to 250), yet less torque (248 to 253 lb.-ft.) Both weigh in with around 2,100 kg, and consume in the neighbourhood of 13.0L/100 km in the city, and 9.0L on the highway. And both have the ability to tow around 2,000 kg. So its no surprise the pair of these quasi-minivans are equal in the run up to 100 km/h, in the nine-second range.

On paper, the Ford's six-speed, automatic transmission (versus only five in the Honda) should give an advantage. But it's been tuned for soft shifts at the expense of responsiveness. And "soft" is also the adjective here when it comes to how the Flex responds as a driver's car -- both on and off the road.

The Flex is happiest cruising in a straight line on the highway, delivering a comfortable and quiet ride. But when the road turns twisty, the Ford feels like the limo it's trying to be -- it is too slow and reluctant in taking commands from the helm. And where that extra length helps interior room and ride comfort, the Flex simply can't go where the shorter Honda (with its shorter overhangs) can travel once the pavement runs out.

Has form trumped function?


If you're smitten by the 2009 Ford Flex Limited AWD's unique looks, only need room for six, and never intend to travel off the beaten path, go with the Flex. But we think there's another large crossover that's an even better value...

Buy this car if ... you want a minivan that looks like a Mini Cooper; you want limo-like rear legroom; you have to spend all day cruising highways.

Don't buy this car if ... you want a responsive and agile utility vehicle; you want to go into the woods; you need eight seats.

First place: 2009 Honda Pilot Touring


If style isn't at the top of your large crossover priority list, Honda's stodgy looking yet practical second-generation Pilot not only offers one more seat than the Flex, it's also a better drive both on and off the pavement.

The offspring of a luxury crossover father (Acura MDX) and a minivan mother (Honda Odyssey), Honda's first generation Pilot was born in the summer of 2002 as a 2003 model. Six years later, Honda hasn't drastically altered the Pilot's split minivan SUV DNA for its new '09 model.

As the top-line Pilot model (base front-drive models start at $36,820) the part-time all-wheel-drive $49,920 Touring comes only one way -- loaded. In addition to the typical "power everything," and leather this 'n that, highlights include a navigation system with French and English voice recognition, de rigueur rear DVD system (with headphones), a power tailgate, and a trailer hitch and harness, heavy-duty radiator, oil cooler and limited slip differential for towing.

Forget length -- it's the width that counts


If not offering as much second-row rear legroom as the Flex, the Pilot offers more shoulder and hip room. Its extra width means three can sit relatively comfortably in both back rows. Plus there's a bit more cargo room out back: 589 litres versus 566 L in the Ford.

With acres of black plastic, there's not as much interior bling as in the Ford. But in the spirit of Apple's original mint-and-white iMacs, the Pilot Touring's driver's instrumentation features a floating needle design with a white background.

Unfortunately -- and typical of many U.S.-designed Hondas -- its centre control stack is ridiculously festooned with too many buttons of the same shape and size.

A family hauler with all the right moves, both on- and off-road


A buttoned-down chassis and solid body structure make the new Pilot a much more rewarding car to drive than the softly tuned and loose-feeling Flex. Without the wallowing found in the Ford, the Honda feels almost European its suspension tuning -- firm, but not too harsh. Steering with more feel and cornering with less lateral roll are quickly noticed. In back-to-back corners, the Pilot feels more planted due to its 36 mm wider front- and 26 mm wider rear-wheel tracks.

But what really separates the Pilot from the Flex is its outstanding off-road capabilities. Features normally found on vehicles with Land Rover badges -- like hill-start assist (which sends maximum torque to the rear wheels at speeds up to 30 km/h), four-wheel-lock, and shorter front and rear overhangs -- means this Honda isn't afraid to get its shiny alloys dirty.

Is this the best value in large crossovers?


OK, the Pilot's no Jeep Wrangler when it comes to tackling serious off-road terrain. For instance, there's no low transmission range. But at speeds up to 30 km/h, a push of a button directs maximum torque to the rear wheels (up to 70-per cent depending on the amount of tire slip), which can also help out in deep snow.

Knowing these limitations, the 2009 Honda Pilot Touring is still a nice compromise between the refined driving qualities of a crossover and the rugged off-road capabilities of an SUV. All around, the new Honda is an impressive effort. Impressive enough, in this shootout to beat this year's Canadian Utility Vehicle of the Year.

Buy this car if ... you want plenty of room for eight passengers and their gear; you want a large crossover that's not afraid of a twisty road; you want to go further off-road than your gravel laneway.

Don't buy this car if ... you favour good looks over function.

Not bad, the worst thing they say about the Pilot is the style and that is completely subjective!


Source;
http://en.autos.sympatico.msn.ca/cross_over_special/article.aspx?cp-documentID=18178497